Why spend so much time picking on the Mormons?
You know what’s really crazy about Mormons? They spend so much time and energy trying to help one another and even non-mormons as well. They learn true morals and values and unlike other Christian religions, they are expected to live these morals and values. They are taught that alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs are harmful. Who knew? The Mormon church donates millions of dollars to humanitarian projects and disasters. Practicing Mormons are generally more happy and honest than other people too. How crazy is that? Also, Mormons are taught to pray and ask God himself if the things they teach are true so the individual can know for him or herself. This is why practicing Mormons are so faithful because they gained a testimony from prayer and weren’t just indoctrinated. Wow, they are crazy!!! Also, there is no paid clergy in the Mormon church so the money can be used for better things than making the religion a business venture, unlike other faiths. Mormons take church jobs because they truly believe in what they are doing and not for financial gain…again crazy! You know what’s craziest of all…..this belief will never make it on this website because it’s all true and every anti-mormon knows it!
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I’d be happy to leave the Mormons in peace with their wacky mythology. But in 2008 this evil cult saw fit to spend millions of dollars and organize lots of followers to take my rights away in California with Prop 8. If they can amend my constitution to take away my rights–not exactly “trying to help”, eh?–it’s a lot more harmless for me to mock their misguided beliefs.
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LikeDislikeThey didn’t take away any rights you aren’t already guaranteed under the constitution. Take a peak, you might be surprised. If you want to be gay, no harm no foul. But we can’t keep giving additional rights to every special interest who wants them. Soon we will be having to grant rights and protections to bald men or people with 6 toes, or people who have mixed marriages or whatever else you want to dream. The real problem is people’s attitudes and unfortunately, you can’t legislate attitudes. They tried once…it was called prohibition. We all know how that went.
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LikeDislikeThis could have been a good argument to use in favor of slavery. “We can’t granting new rights to these people – where will it end?” Also, bald people and people with 6 toes have all the rights (including marriage) that everyone else does. The right to marry is not a “special right” for gay people – it is a right that others already have. This whole notion that giving people different from ourselves the same rights we enjoy is somehow giving them special rights is a fallacy.
I don’t see why men don’t demand the right to use the women’s restroom. Women have that right. Why can’t men do it, too?! Just because we’re a different gender doesn’t mean we can’t enjoy the same kind of privacy that women do. And don’t tell me something stupid like, “If men want privacy, they can use the men’s room.” What a crock! You don’t see women jumping at the chance to belly up to a urinal, do you? That’s because they like the women’s room better. Well who’s to say that we men wouldn’t like the women’s room better, too? Gender has NOTHING to do with rights. Girls should be allowed in boy scout programs. Unemployed men should be allowed in the National Association of Professional Women. Maternity leave for impotent men!! It’s very simple. As soon as this nation realizes that gender matters about as much as hair color, the world will be better place… more confusing maybe, but “better.”
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LikeDislikeMormons provide at least 50% of the cash and, at least initially, most of volunteers on the ground working to overturn same sex marriage laws in California. Perhaps you don’t give a hill of beans, Vince, because it’s not your marriage or family that’s on the line. But I don’t think you’d take it as lightly if an out-of-state group began pouring money into your state to annul your marriage, or turn your children into out-of-wedlock bastards. Additionally, there are hundreds of laws from hospital visitation rights to tax codes that now are accorded only to heterosexuals. If you look in the constitution, I don’t think you’ll find homosexuals defined as second class citizens, but that’s the legal reality for the people who pay taxes and fight abroad to support the US. It’s about time that changed – and it will, whether you like it or not.
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LikeDislikeIf Mitt Romney was as faithful to America as a Mormon is to his church then he might be presidential. Turns out he spent a good portion of his life hiding his money from Uncle Sam. In America he can screw his fellow man and run for president but if he did that to the church he’d be excommunicated. Nice of US to send him an additional $77k a year for horse ballet. Wouldn’t't you agree.
Ya he may have avoided some of his taxes but if you do some research on Mitt he also donated 15% of is income to his church and another 15% to charities, so thats about 7 million dollars he gave to people and places that need it more than our government, and I would rather him give it to charities and his church than Obamas dumb ass.
What’s crazy is that Mormons make up less than 2% of the population in California. So its crazy that they could have made prop 8 pass by themselves. The real truth is that one of two things happened there…1. People who wanted legalized gay marriage didn’t show up to vote, or 2. Way more people are against gay marriage than you thought and you need someone to blame it on. A church or organization can put up all the money in the world, but at the end of the day….you either have the votes or you don’t.
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LikeDislikeYeah, its ‘unfortunate’ you can’t legislate attitudes, huh? That’s really too bad.
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LikeDislikeIts nine of your business and you should not be spending money to take away our rights. That is what makes Mormonism and Catholicism bad. Help the needy, good but keep away from our civil rights.
“Granting rights to people with mixed marriages” what the heck does that mean? You aren’t trying to correlate being gay, having six toes, being a bald man or in a mixed marriage with rights not guaranteed under the constitution are you. As far as the mixed marriage thing goes, get used to it bud as at least 60% of the country are mixed! Even bald men with six toes who happen to be gay deserve every right this country offers. They might even marry out of their race! OH the shock!
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LikeDislikeYou’re clearly not an educated person. Comparing giving a gay person the right to marry to giving rights to “people with 6 toes” (you spell out numbers under 10, by the way)? No wonder you’re defending mormons, you ******* lunatic.
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LikeDislikeAmen, Rich, from your straight neighbor
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LikeDislikeAmen Rich – from a Texan with a State full of christian extremist morons.
Please don’t say things like that about us, we are only trying to help. I really am glad that this thing “Why Spend So Much Time Picking On Mormons?” is standing up for us. At least some people understand
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LikeDislikeThat’s fascinating that you can know how much money the LDS church spent in California when they’re one of the only Christian Churches that hasn’t released any public financial records since the 60′s. You therefore can either, 1. Read minds, or 2. Are so gullible you will believe whatever sounds good to you on the internet.
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LikeDislikeIn response to a Mr. “Mormon History buff”
“That’s fascinating that you can know how much money the LDS church spent in California when they’re one of the only Christian Churches that hasn’t released any public financial records since the 60′s. You therefore can either, 1. Read minds, or 2. Are so gullible you will believe whatever sounds good to you on the internet.”
It seems that through your biased emotional response, and your inability to use logic or simply “ask why”, you somehow forgot option#3. DEDUCTIVE REASONING. (If you don’t know what that is, please stop reading this comment, and google it. When finished, return to this page for an example) Let’s see here… approximately $39,000,000 was raised for the passing of prop. 8. Hmmm… Alright well… these guys over here contributed X amount of dollars, these people over here contributed X amount of dollars, and this group over here raised X amount of dollars for it. Well ladies and gentlemen, the only organization left would be the LDS Church, and if my elementary arithmetic knowledge serves me correctly, then the X amount of dollars remaining would SEEM to have come from them. Even if you can understand that, you are still missing the point by a long shot. The fact that you can’t even begin to question yourself and separate God from the equation is sad because if you were truly able to do that, you might see the light…. If a person wants to marry or blow or fuck someone of the same sex, and they are truly happy with this decision, it is okay for you to think it is wrong. It is okay for you to think it is “yucky” or “gross”. But when you start fucking with strangers personal choices, choices that do not affect you whatsoever (other than your belief that marriage is owned by christians, and you have a “DIVINE RESPONSIBILITY” to “perfect” the saints), then we have a problem. When you start telling people that they don’t know what will truly make themselves happy, they don’t know what is good for themselves and we do (“all we are trying to do is help”), when this way of thinking is thought to be okay with issues like this, you have someone who can be harmful and is very very dangerous to society. God isn’t on your side, and he only exists because of your belief in him.
“In 2010, the California Fair Political Practices Commission fined the LDS church for failing to follow campaign disclosure policies during the last two weeks leading up to the election, which amounted to $37,000 in non-monetary contributions. They were fined $5,538.”
People, please start asking the question “Why”? When you hear, read, or listen to something, don’t just blindly believe it, but don’t discredit it. THINK ABOUT IT!!! We need more people who can make logical, well thought out choices and see things from the other side, whichever side that is. We must learn to UNDERSTAND and RESPECT one another as fellow human beings, not as children of God.
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LikeDislikeI think that it is just fine that the LDS church has not released any financials.the church seems to do fine. They make temples, crisis centers, chapels, safe houses, community centers, and much, MUCH more. I am not LDS, but I live in a community where is is one of the main practices for religion. When my husband had just lost his job and couldn’t find anywhere to work. Some of the women from the church came once a week and helped us through it. They would help be giving us food orders when we didn’t have enough money to provide for ourselves and our childeren. Also, I had to undergo surgery a couple years ago and had to be on bed rest for 3 months. Members from the church gathered together and made a schedule for bringing us dinner EVERY night. They were all kind and helpful. We didn’t ask them for any help. They are just good people that see a problem and try to help one another. Again, I am not a Mormon. But I think that people need to realize that they can believe in some odd things, but they are still good people. And at the end of the day. That’s what we all want to be.
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LikeDislikeMeanwhile you find all your anti-mormon “ideas” on the internet as well.
You my friend are a bafoon.
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LikeDislikeChurch has changed stances on gay rights. Although they dont support same sex marriage, they completely stopped getting behind any and all anti-gay campigns. Some individual mormons are actually proponents of same-sex marriage. check out mormonsandgays.org
btw one member doesnt speak for the whole church, nor can the church authorities personally speak for every member.
I’d be careful with massive generalizations. If it’s wrong for someone to persecute the gays, why is it okay to persecute the mormons?
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LikeDislikeit was more then just mormons that went against prop 8 so you cant just blame it on the mormons
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LikeDislikeThe Mormon church is a sexist, racist and homophobic cult. This is not to say that other religious organizations are not also sexist, racist and homophobic, but the Mormon church was founded on sexist and racist principles in the fairly recent past and has become homophobic over time. At the same time most non-Mormons are becoming more tolerant while Mormons seem to be getting worse. Mormons should stay the hell away from politics.
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LikeDislikeThe LDS faith is not homophobic, you are free to do whatever you want to do in your own time, the church does not support or oppose prop 8, although many of the members of the church oppose gay marraige due to the effects it has on society as a whole and upcoming generations. If we allow anybody to marry anybody on the premise that it is for equality sake, we will have people wanting to legalize the marraiges to animals, to oneself, and to relatives…where does it stop.
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LikeDislikeBullshit. The LDS church was fined for directly contributing money to the Prop 8 campaign and directing members from the pulpit to do the same. Where the quest for marriage equality stops is between consenting adults. Your arguments are ludicrous. Allowing women the right to vote did not lead to dogs and cats voting. Get in the real world and try not to lie.
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LikeDislikeYeah man “heaven forbid” some dude having like 30 wives ages 15+. Oh wait I forgot, according to LDS doctrine, in heaven its totally normal to have multiple wives and as for the young girls well that just uhh cannot be true because any claims that aren’t good uuhhhh were made up by a satan worshiper who and doesn’t follow the teachings of Christ and uhhh I prayed about this and I felt the spirit and I Uhhh know it to be true… uhh yeah.
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LikeDislike“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.”
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LikeDislikeBrody opined:
“If we allow anybody to marry anybody on the premise that it is for equality sake, we will have people wanting to legalize the marraiges to animals, to oneself, and to relatives…where does it stop.”
I’m not sure I understand your … uh … reasoning. Are you saying that every time a gay person gets married, then YOU, PERSONALLY start having romantic feelings about your dog?
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LikeDislikeI’m Mormon but i still find this hilarious
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LikeDislikeIt is honestly more than a little amusing to read all the ridiculous things people think about our faith. If you actually learn about it, not just read anti-mormon fiction on the web,then most people realize it’s really not that strange. Ironically, it strengthens my faith to read this website, because it proves that nobody around actually has any good arguments against the church.
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LikeDislikeAre you lying or deluded?
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LikeDislikeThe mormon church does not “officially” oppose anything politically as it would already bring unwanted attention from people like the ones who say such ridiculous things on this site. Like you Dans. Your information is not only incorrect but hurtful. Members within the church, not cult, may have their own political beliefs and I guess that’s where people are basing these ridiculous notions on. Get your facts straight before you decide to put something up on the internet.
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LikeDislikehow about you say that to my face Rachael? if it was not right to put something up on “me” that is not true, where would it end? mormons and people of faith everywhere would not be able to spread their hunches about our astronomy or how we came to be. Books, dear, are for those who have their facts in line. But I am here for the radical, inane opinions. fingertip diarrhea if you will. whether or not mormons officially support activism against the rights of gays does not require any explanation. this is because of the on-going trend of the absence of self guided thought. mormons (to mormons) preach of the subversiveness of gay marriage on society, this is evident. raised in an environment where lying is not only an acceptable practice but a foundation for life, mormons of course find no fault in this preaching. do not give up hope rachael, if you are truly concerned with getting your facts straight there is a way! take it one day at a time, and remember: if you cant see it, and there’s no proof of its existence (kolob), (god), (gods), and your local priest (you live in kansas) assures you that it does and all you have to do is !believe!… it isn’t there. it is an age old scam, although widely accepted and prevalent in every town and almost every street in our nation. they want to collect a tithe from you, and hope you like the book of lies they hand you in return.
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LikeDislikeRachel!!! DON’T LISTEN TO HIM!!! HE IS AN EVIL SATANIC LIAR!!! HE CAN’T KNOW THE TRUTH UNTIL HE ACCEPTS THE ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND IS WORTHY!!! YOU KNOW THE TRUTH BECAUSE YOU ARE A DAUGHTER OF GOD AND YOU HAVE FELT THESE THINGS TO BE TRUE WITHIN THINE BUSSOM!!! THE BURNING WITHIN THINE BUSSOM RACHEL!!!! FOLLOW THINE BURN!!!!
Of course they don’t “officially” oppose anything politically, because that would shatter the very thing veneer of how “nice” Mormons are. You want to know the measure of an organization? Follow where the money goes… I know way too many Ex-Mormons that managed to escape your cult of lies.
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LikeDislikeDan, this statement could not be more inncorrect, Im a 14 year old girl, I have been praying and reading my scriptures and my testimony is very strong. I have standards to live by, that most christians in my school fail to understand. I stay away from drugs and other harmful things that would hurt my body, every moth I pay my tithing to help boys go on missions and other countries, even if I don’t have a lot of money. I could not be more happier, I learned all of this by praying to God, and he answered. You may think that you know everything about Mormons, but my friend you do not. So i’m offended that you would be calling me and all my family racist and sexist because, I’m not racist?? Mitt Romney is a nice man, you’ve never met him don’t judge him. If you truly cared about being racist then why do you judge us mormons as if we are some race that you can’t stand?? No hard feeling, but I needed to just say.
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LikeDislikeAubrey – millions of people who do not belong to the Mormon faith stay away from drugs,have strong moral standards,etc. Mormons have not cornered the market on morals. Millions of people with absolutely no religious affiliation do charitable works and live beautiful, meaningful lives. Sorry, but your pride in paying tithes to send missionaries out doesn’t move me. Basically you’re sending people out to foreign countries to tell them that their culture and beliefs are wrong and that the Mormon way is the only way. So you’re inflicting on them what you say you detest when it’s aimed at you. I’ve been visited by your missionaries and they must have been trying to make a quota because they were VERY persistent. I find it interesting that the LDS faith is quietly building empires…America’s largest cattle ranch, orchards, snapping up chains of department stores, and so on. All of those millions in your tithes that could have been used to help the poor were spent on buying real estate and businesses. Will you guys even need all of that stuff once you’re whisked off to the planet Kolob -isn’t that in the book of Abraham, Book of Mormon? Forgive me if I sound snarky, after all you’re just 14 and I’m guessing you’re not allowed to do much thinking for yourself. Your own faith considers you a second class citizen because you’re female, so you won’t have to figure any of this out anyway. Just slap on your brightest smile, “keep sweet”, and keep breeding those giant Mormon families. Increase the numbers at all costs!
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LikeDislikeNancy i know there is a special place in hell for you for trying to lead array the children of the lord!! Aubrey is a beautiful, strong daughter of God!! If you were willing to listen to the lessons the lds missionaries have to share maybe you would not say the lies you do… It’s obvious you dont know anything about the lds church, what other religion has young men and women serve 2 years-18 months to the lord for free, they leave their families, friends, to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to all of his children of all races, on all corners of the earth.
Thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged!!!
I think everyone should take this into there lifes…
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LikeDislike“what other religion has young men and women serve 2 years-18 months to the lord for free”
Uhm… pretty much any religion that can afford it.
2 years – 18 months? Is this funny Mormon math? Is it 2 years, 18 months (which would be 3 1/2 years), or is it 18 months to 2 years, with a maximum of 2 years?
It doesn’t matter, the Mormon church uses children to harass people.
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LikeDislikeHow does one square “i know there is a special place in hell for you for trying to lead array the children of the lord!” with “Thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged!!!”. Seems like youre doing some judging there yourself lol
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LikeDislikeMissionaries don’t spread the word of Jesus but the false prophecy of joseph smith. If I were mormon i’d need joseph smith’s permission to enter heaven. It’s Jesus plus nothing. Christians are to be judged by other Christians if they are claiming they are Christians serving the Lord, to hold one another accountable. Mormons claim to serve the Lord and they do not!
1 John 4:1 – Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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LikeDislikeHopefully your white men going door to door get the same treatment as hookers do when they “meet the wrong guy”!
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LikeDislikeWhy do intoxicants of all stripes have become part of some “moral” debate for so many people and religions? There is nothing morally relevant about drinking a coffee, having a beer, toking a joint or taking an aspirin. Nothing at all.
Don’t give me crap about drugs being “harmful.” You can harm yourself much more directly and permanently by improperly using a weedwacker than you can by drinking a glass of wine with dinner.
And don’t give me some nonsense about “addiction.” People can become addicted to the internet, video games, or the TV. Most people don’t. Just like how most people who enjoy a cup of tea don’t become caffeine fiends.
I really hope we eventually reach a point as a species where we concern ourselves “morally” only with stuff that is relevant – like how we treat each other.
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LikeDislikeThankyou Bill
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LikeDislikenancy you sweet lady, I my self just served a mormon mission. I didn’t have to fill a quota, but the reason we are persist ant is because we love you. We have found something great and we want to share it with others. Didn’t christ teach that all of us should be teachers and sharers of the word. I my self am grateful for aubrey, I worked hard to earn over 10,000 dollars ,so I could drop every thing my job my schooling everything. To bring others to come unto christ. Because of her faith full tithing I was able to have food,a car and a apartment. Let me remind you I didn’t get paid one cent while I was out for two voluntary years. As missionaries we don’t tell people they are wrong we invite others to come unto christ by helping them receive the restored gospel by finding faith in christ, repentance, baptism, receiving the holy ghost and enduring to the end. Not once did I FORCE any one to be baptized mormon.
Cattle ranches, orchards, department stores…I’m sorry, but a lot of these things are established for humanitarian reasons. There’s this place called the Bishop’s storehouse where volunteers help process millions of pounds of food that are given to the poor and sent out to third world countries as well as victims of natural disasters. And that departments store works on donations from everyone, some of the goods are put out on shelves at low prices for low income families and the stores offer job opportunities for struggling people. Donations that aren’t put on the shelf are immediately sent to people in need. If that’s not use of their millions to help the poor, then I don’t know what is. By the way, they also funded the development of a highly digestible porridge for starving children so they don’t die of re-feeders syndrome as they’re weaned onto solid foods that their bodies couldn’t previously process. So what if their tithes also bring in enough money to build the churches and temples they need to worship. They have their freedom to practice religion like any other. I don’t believe in their stance on gay marriage, I don’t believe in the words of Joseph Smith, I drink, I have tattoos, but I am very pissed at the insinuation that they are just a bunch of money grabbing empiricists. And you can’t be “forgiven if you sound snarky” when you’re blatantly attacking a teenage girl.
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LikeDislikeAubrey, you are a deluded and brainwashed young girl, who has no experience in the REAL world, therefore, you have no say. You sound much like my own nieces and nephews that spout bullshit without a clue what life is even about yet.
You also mentioned about how you help pay for BOYS to go out and do their “missions”. Doesn’t THAT even bother you that only BOYS are allowed to spread the word of your “faith”? That is sexist right there, without even going into any of the other facts, like WOMEN not being allowed into “heaven”, unless their spouses (male) ALLOW THEM!
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LikeDislikeaccually women do go on missions just saying. Matthew I love ya but do some reading first before you say some thing dumb again.
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LikeDislikeThis is funny. You obviously have no real knowledge of the Mormon religion. Woman do serve missions, just 18 month long ones. You also probably have never even met a Mormon in your life, or you wouldn’t be saying this. I grew up in Utah, where it’s hard not to meet plenty of them. And I have never, not once met a Mormon who was sexist, racist, anything. They are all so nice, so pleasant and so helpful. Literally, most of their life goals are to help others, lighten loads and to love one another unconditionally. You shouldn’t knock em tell you try em. This makes me sad reading these cruel and, frankly, uneducated opinions. Funny thing is, as angry as this makes me, I think the Mormons I know would immediately forgive and hope the best for you in your life. Hope you find God. Have a good life, you deserve it, but stop trash talking things you know next to nothing about.
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LikeDislikeI wouldn’t be talking. Women go on mission trips all the time, and women DO serve missions. Why do you stupid people just sit here and talk about our religion? Why don’t you tell us more about how sexist and crazy we are. And how brainwashed we are. I’m not offended by these comments. I find them funny. Why? Because you act like you know everything about our religion. If you met one of us you would know we are very kind people. We don’t judge other religions like you judge ours, so just don’t say anything you don’t know. We pray to god, just like you. We go to church and worship him just like you. Make fun of us? You’re making fun of God and Jesus himself.
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LikeDislikeWow, religion is retarded, let me say that, but you ass hats certainly take the cake. Change your beliefs to something at least a little less pathetic or be forever hated by all who know your cults bullshit morals!
Enjoy!
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LikeDislikeAubrey, just because you share a common faith with Mitt Romney does not make him a ‘nice man’. His character, whether met face to face or not, is gauged by his actions. He founded a company that amassed a personal fortune… over twenty million American dollars worth… that he deliberately stashes in accounts that allow him to be deceitful and unfair, regarding ‘taxation and representation’. As an American he demands the ‘rights’ of an American, right up to the right to run for the Presidency. As a ‘not nice greedy self-serving prosperity pimp’ he sees nothing wrong with contriving and using means to evade taxation, premised solely upon ‘loop holes’ designed specifically for the ‘much advantaged’ while engaging in full use of all the ‘amenities of Citizenship’ that all other Citizens have to pay full price for in taxation, when proportionately their lives are grossly affected by the payment. And why did I refer to him as a ‘pimp’? Because he ‘sold precious’ things to other countries… American Innovations; American Assets; American Businesses; American Employment; American Dreams and Opportunity to support American Families… ALL SOLD FOR HIS PERSONAL AND UNTAXABLE PROFITS… just like a pimp, who sells the ‘flesh’ of others for his own untaxed personal gain. TOO… Mitt Romney is a liar. He invokes negative feelings without regard to Truth… for the sheer purpose of initiating hatefulness and lies… both of which he builds upon to foster even greater lies about his own false accomplishments… TOO, his actual record as Gov. of Massachusetts reflects him taking credit where credit is not due and failing to mention how he actually made the budget meet ends… BY RAISING FEES, rather than taxes… as a SNEAKY way to do exactly what he promised not to, by insinuation… ‘not cause more cost to the citizens’… by saying he wouldn’t raise ‘taxes’… which ‘legally or technically is true’ but also technically is NOT true because raising the ‘fees‘ … even on blind people and mentally retarded people… DID RAISE THE COST OF LIVING FOR THE VERY PEOPLE HE PROMISED WOULD NOT BE MADE THE WORSE FOR WEAR, DUE TO HIS ADMINISTRATION… so… he is not just a liar, Aubrey… he is a SNEAKY CALCULATING LIAR.
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LikeDislikeDon’t judge Mitt Romney? The entire electoral process is supposed to be designed so the electorate can “judge” each candidate and then make their choice. If one does not want to be “judged”, then that individual should not be running for President.
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LikeDislike“I pay my tithing to help boys go on missions and other countries”… You sound like a very articulate and responsible young woman. It hurts me to read that you pay your tithe so that BOYS can go on missions. You are smart, why not you? Why only boys? Also I must note that it seems very colonialist to want to go and “better” other countries. I don’t wantdo respect you and your choices, but you are young. I do think you have the right (the duty?) to think for yourself, look at other possibilities (like science, for example) and then decide.
PS it isn’t just males who go on missions. There is an increasing number of female missionaries and they are more than welcome to go. They just don’t get any special powers like the dudes do.
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LikeDislikeLying to children………………………
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LikeDislikeI will never understand why this has 32 dislikes
To the doubters, this church started as 6 members in Fayette, NY with six members and is now over 15 million and in over 160 countries through out the world and that’s hard to argue with. I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the only true church on earth not because of anyone else’s testimony but because I have prayed about it and received my own answer that it is the truth.
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LikeDislikeOur Church was not founded specifically on sexism , racism and homophobia , the majority of the world at that point was .
In the 1800s , nearly everyone was a racist due to what was being taught , nearly everyone was sexist because that was the norm . If we had not behaved that way , we would have been ridiculed a lot more . It was just an unfortunate world view . There are just as many racist Mormons as there are racist Christians and racist atheists , granted not many , but it is not one of our specific beliefs
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LikeDislikeNo shit, as should all religions. And you are wrong about everything else, clearly you must not have met many mormon people, they have given more to my community than any other religion around.
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LikeDislikeAnd they made sure that you knew about it. They always make sure people know about it. Just because a business or organization “gives back” to the community, doesn’t mean they are, as a whole, righteous. In fact, a lot of the people within the church are good people that have good intentions and they truly believe that they are doing God’s work. With that being said, religion continues to play a role in dividing people and societies. Whether or not that was the intention is irrelevant. What defines something? What was intended of it? Or what has become of it?
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LikeDislikeHaving been a boyscout for the LDS church i can say this is not true at least where im from there’s little that feels better than doing something good because you know you should rather than because you want to look better to others. as a habitual ‘Show-off’ i often show off my accomplishments, never my deeds.
No one is picking on anyone if we want to know the truth.
And the truth hurts when you been ‘on a long river in Africa for a LONG time’:
( De-Nial)
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LikeDislikeYou know WHY I’m on this site today? It’s got NOTHING to do with Mormons.
I have Mormon acquaintences, and I like them just fine.
However, we now have a bunch of very dangerous candidates running for the top office in the land: One outrageous, shame-based, multiply-married, unfeeling Catholic who says one downright lie and incendiary thing after another; there’s a series of fundamentalist wing-nuts have dropped out, and the ONE left standing is not only an uber-conservative angry Catholic, who would invade your wife or daughter’s bedroom to dictate they cannot use birth control, and wants to shrink gov’t only until it’s small enough to fit inside their crotch, but he is also a member of OPUS DEI!Opus Dei anyone?
The leading candidate of the bunch is a Mormon – and I watch as this guy strapped his dog to the roof of a family car and goes on a haul to Canada ( I have dogs and believe me that dog was in hell); I hear him talk about not worrying about ‘poor people’in our country, and then deny the actual good things he did do in Massachusetts, becuase he wants to appear like a lunatic to ge thru the primary.
Well, I want to understand WHERE that person is coming from, and looking at this blog , I DO get it. He is as disconnected from reality as he appears for good reason.
I’ve been noting: There’s something BLANK in his stare, and that of his wife and sons every time they appear together.
I sense that he’s not ‘present’, but living somewhere in his head.
And now I know why.
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LikeDislikeMormons do not practice polygamy that is the biggest lie of them all.
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LikeDislikeThey only stopped because the law required them to.
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LikeDislikeWe were persecuted before polygamy was illegal , when it was finally illegalised , we prayed for god to allow us to discontinue the practice , he allowed us to , and here we are now.
Illegalised?
Did you pray to god or God?
Oh hell, another Mormon struck by the wisdom of Moron-i.
bible encouraged polygamy read it you might learn something. Solomon had 700 wives jacob had a few wives abraham had a few. David. Do I need to go on? The point is when god commands it it needs to happen. When he says no then it stops. Prove me wrong because you can’t
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LikeDislikeThey only started because woman generally could not make a living back then on their own
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LikeDislikeUm, you are incorrect. We very actively practice polygamy. When my first wife, whom I married in the temple passed away, I was able to go to the temple with my 2nd wife and seal us all together. It’s really annoying when our own members don’t even understand our doctrine. Please get it right!
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LikeDislikeCarol didn’t mention plygamy at all…she was referring to the multiple marriages of Newt Gingrich as a candidate for the nomination! Boy, you look silly now…there are enough things to list as wrong with Mormons – no one (including Carol) has to resort to charging them with polygamy. That’s in the past – but still a big part of why many of us view it as a cult. Remember – it was all ‘divinely inspired’…so it’s a reasonable criticism as to whether the entire religion and its book were divinely inpired as claimed. Oh, I almost forgot…it was also divinely inspired to be racist until 1978. Who knew God could change his or her mind!
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LikeDislikeWell, Page the fact is that while Mormonism works for many it does not for many others…..and sites like this provide the information people need in order to make an informed decision. I was LDS for 35+ years and spent a lot that time trying to make the illogical make sense. I made excuses for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young….made excuses for the Mormon Church’s racist, sexist and homophobic views because I was taught they came from God.
Learning the real history and doctrine helped me to also realize that the Church isn’t what it claims to be and that much of it is just the fallible ideas of men.
I mean even your comments show how little most LDs know about their own faith:
“Practicing Mormons are generally more happy and honest than other people too. ”
Utah has the highest anti-dpressant use in the US.
“there is no paid clergy in the Mormon church” Not true. This is a faith-promoting myth propagated by the hierarchy. While local leaders (bishops and SPs) aren’t paid, misson presidents, area authorities and GAs, receive stipends or living allowances— as well as benefits. President Hinckley refers to them here.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1985/10/questions-and-answers?lang=eng
Look under the heading “4. Why is the Church in commercial business of any kind?” towards the end of the paragraph.
“it’s all true and every anti-mormon knows it!”
This is the most egregious of all your claims and one I used to make myself as a faithful Mormon. Fact is though the internet has made it clear to thousands that the church is not what it claims to be. Critics like myself are far more comfortable with the idea that the LDS Church is NOT God’s one true church than we ever with the idea that it was.
The facts are out there. Good luck in finding the path best for you.
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LikeDislikeI understand where your coming from, but I too do contend with some of the beliefs..I look at it some what logically, somethings I cant explain.. Frankly every religion is based on some “MAN” coming down from a mountain ,or someplace claiming to have spoken to god or heavenly messenger… So big deal where the doctrine come from, we all seek something, for answers or simply just peace.. What ever rocks your boat.. I live in a country where I can believe what I desire, and others can mock whatever they desire. Most religions read ” stone or kill ” for adultery, premarital sex, etc..No due process, “stone or kill” How Weird is that.
All religions are weird, pick one or don’t. Everyone’s choice.. As for old Mit
don’t really care what his religion is. If the man is evil, so be it. Ted “the uni-bomber was a Harvard grad. Can we say all Harvard grads are nuts or perfect for the job. All Mormons are not Mitt Romney. Don’t not vote for him because he is Mormon or not. Vote for him if you agree with him, or not your choice once again. Obama is Muslim, have you read the Koran, some weird ideas in there, not to mention the extremist within that religion, but should we have held that against Obama.. NO this is America..We are tolerant to murderers and thieves,you can pick on the Mormons all you want, but cut them a little slack. They do try to help people and family’s with little or no participation. Since my family converted we’ve never been closer to each other, or closer to god..We pray to god in Jesus name. and try to live righteous, notice the word “TRY” we’re not perfect, neither is the religion, but its where we found peace.. Where everybody else finds peace is up to them.. If my religion is wrong that’s okay too..
I still believe its the thought that counts. We’re not hurt’in any body..
Much love to all, and God bless you, if you want him to, other wise good luck in your endeavors
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LikeDislikeWhat do you mean your “cult is not hurting anyone?” I have a friend whose family was excommunicated by the Mormon cult because her brother was the first in our county to die of HIV/AIDS. This family was a loving, believing, unit among their Mormon “brothers” and “sisters”. They were shunned by the church in which they’d grown up. So not only did they lose an immediate family member, but their church family shunned them. That’s not hurting anyone? Interesting
There was obviously more to the story…
Not necessarily
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LikeDislikei don’t think he were excommunicated for dying of AIDS more likely for the reason he got AIDS
Did anyone read lueyloki’s comment? I can’t believe people not only let him get away with some of the crazy statements he made but also favorited his comment. Obama’s a Muslim? America tolerates murderers and thieves? We’re all just going to let that ride? Insane.
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LikeDislikeI didn’t read it at first because it was too long, but I went back and read it and then gave it -1. Thanks for pointing that out.
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LikeDislikeIf you sum it all up, I guess what he was trying to say is, “We all need to find what religion is most convenient for us” “Which one do I like the best?” Religion breeds self absorption and gives little to no thought for the future. It teaches people that people are evil, but as long as you do what we say and what God says, you got nothing to worry about. Heaven is a heartbeat away.
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LikeDislikeSince when is Obama a Muslim? You had a somewhat good argument going there until that assertion. As for why it is important that we know what our highest officials believe in? that is simple: are you going to enforce your beliefs on the rest of us in the way of practical law? If you really believe that we are murdering children with abortion, arent you going to try and stop ‘murder’ by overturning Roe v Wade? If you think gay is a condition that is inherited and therefore ‘wrong’, won’t you try and “fix” it? Maybe by prayer or some other religious foolishness? Won’t you try and limit those who can marry and enjoy a life with their partner be it man and man or woman and woman, simlly because it is not in accordance with your religion. All these beliefs are derived from a religious notion. Are they not?
That is why we wanted to know what Mitt thought. The fact that he did not share imortant factors with us, i.e., taxes, his time as Mormon Bishop, his real core values without changing them all the time is a big reason why he lost.
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LikeDislikeI know really one true reason people leave the church its because they are buried in there own sin. May the lord have mercy on your soul…
Wow
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LikeDislikeI think people like you may be another reason
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LikeDislike“So you know” is obviously a coward that cannot even use their real name.
Can you name a handfull of people who were mormon who advanced mankind’s knowledge and technology?
When you compare the amount of people who are religious to people who are not religious, you see the atheists and nonreligious making the equations to split atoms and you religious freaks dropping the bombs!
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LikeDislikeBlindly believing in the concept of sin, is the only way to be buried by it. “The guilty don’t feel guilty, they learn not to.” Maybe you should consider the concept of guilt and how to deal with it.
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LikeDislikeThe original thread is so true.
I was a Mormon for 16 years of my adult life. To this day, I still admire many of the moral values and principals taught in the LDS church. My experience is most of the church members are honest and good people that lead exemplary lives.
HOWEVER… the sunny and cheerful facade put forth by LDS church cannot “shove under the rug” (as much as it tries) its’ dark past and extremely problematic doctrinal writtings. Anyone of three dozen issues discredits Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, seerer and revelator. I understand that Faith is the opposite of sight and all religions have issues. However, any possible evidence that has been studied and researched, is summarily discredited by professional non-LDS archeologists. The most potent to me is the fraud that the “Book of Abraham” and the fact that there are over 1500 changes to the original Book of Mormon (Translated directly from the word of God) to the current, more correct edition.
In Christianity, there is tangible archaeological evidence (ie dead sea scrolls, multiple accounts, other religions accepting Jesus as a phophet – Islam) that Jesus, at the very least was an historical figure.
Not only is there no creditable evidence accepted by the outside professional community, but there is overwhelming evidence that The Book of Mormon/ Book of Abraham / Pearl of Great Price has about as much historical data as The Harry Potter series.
The Smithsonian Institute and The National Geographic Society have both written statements regarding that the Book of Mormon is historically unlikely.
The Church-back NWAF founder Thomas Ferguson, a Latter-day Saint) after 20 years of dilgently looking for evidence came to the conclusion in a 1976 paper:
“…The real implication of the paper is that you can’t set the Book-of-Mormon geography down anywhere — because it is FICTIONAL and will never meet the requirements of the dirt-archeology. I should say — what is in the ground will never conform to what is in the book.
Michael Coe of Yale also commented:
“As far as I know there is not one professionally trained archaeologist, who is not a Mormon, who sees any scientific justification for believing the historicity of The Book of Mormon, and I would like to state that there are quite a few Mormon archaeologists who join this group”
The LDS church can repeat warm and inviting mantra’s about the wonderful “Plan of Salvation” and “families are forever” but either Joseph Smith was a prophet of God or horny, sociopath who was talented at instituting a cult of personality and created a great fraud. Looking at his historical life choices he was the latter.
I relate the LDS church to an organizations like the free masons or similar clubs in that the network is generally tight and they look after one another. I saw more than a few companies that were run by LDS followers outsource or award contracts and services to other LDS persons and entities. CR England, Knight Transportation, Swift transportation, Salt River Project are just a few of them.
Something I also found strange was you couldn’t attend just ANY LDS curch, you have to go to the one in your “zone”.
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LikeDislikeHow are they racist, sexist, and homophobic, Dan? You must not know much about them, clearly from your ignorant, factless comment. Try learning about them for once, they are interesting and kind people. Maybe, just maybe, you will learn something true.
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LikeDislikeRacist: really? Look at the history of blacks in the religion. Look at the interpretation of the story of Babel and of skin color between the Nephites and Lamanites. The whole religion was based on Manifest Destiny and providing racist justification for taking the land of the brown natives.
Sexist: look at the Laurel Society (part of the “Young Women” organization) which indoctrinates women with their values. A woman’s role is to display the “sweet spirit”, serve men, and make babies.
Homophobic: I can’t think of a single male Mormon I’ve known (most of my friends in high school were Mormon, and I’ve had Mormon coworkers) who wasn’t homophobic. The worst part is that they don’t even realize it. They don’t internalize it as hate or fear, but more generally as disgust or pity, so they don’t process it as homophobia. They just think that’s how everyone views “the gays”.
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LikeDislikeim not homophobic, in no way do i fear gays I know a few they’re far mor flamboyant than intimidating
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LikeDislikeI am gay.
As a gay man, I seek tolerance, understanding & empathy from people who are not gay so that I can lead my private life the way I choose.
Since I seek tolerance from others, who am I to be intolerant?
My preferences, choices and beliefs are my own. If I expect you to be open-minded and accept me and my uniqueness, then it helps if I’m open-minded and accepting of you and your uniqueness.
I recently saw footage from the Gay Pride Parade in Salt Lake City, UTAH. I saw lots of people happily marching & carrying signs as well as plenty folks along the streets cheering them on. Hey, it wasn’t SF Pride, it wasn’t ‘in your face’ male nudity, but it was a Gay Pride Parade.
Anybody want to try a Gay Pride Parade in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia? You’d get ‘stoned’, quite literally.
So what’s my point?
Tolerance. Do unto others. See the good in other people.
You can do more to change other peoples’ beliefs by engaging them respectfully than by calling them idiots.
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LikeDislikePatrick,
As a Mormon I just want to say that you’ve got the right approach. While I religiously speaking don’t agree with homosexuality, It would be hard for me to justify the Government telling you what you can or can not do. It’s not their place. I think the major mistake people make when it comes to forwarding the cause of liberal arguments, such as gay marriage, is they lack what you have! They cry for tolerance but then piss and moan about all the “Mormons” and Christians and are quick to name calling and finger pointing on any point they disagree with instead of having the tolerance they demand for themselves. Cheers to you Patrick, someone I disagree with but we can still be civil and realize that being neighbors requires a little give and take on both our part.
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LikeDislikePretty sure Mormons have it all screwed up.. You people that are of the Mormon faith beleive that and that is fine but when you go dictating what rights i have as a gay american I have seriouse issues with that along with Mitt Romney being a bully in school to a gay peer and anti-gay rights.. THE Mormon Church did Spend Tons of money on Proposition 8 and to me NO church organization should be able to contribute to anything law or government wise and those that do should be held accountable and from then on their tax free status should be changed and they should pay taxes like every other money makeing establishment.. I hate to be the one to say negative things about someone but Mitt Romney is a corporate puppet and is in no way looking out for the middle or small American and this i will preach til the election is over!! promise!
Churchs can do what ever they want with their money, who are you to tell them what they should do with it, when clearly you didn’t donate to the church.
You think poorly try to think more and dream more before you reveal your incompetence
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LikeDislikeI’m all for individual right’s and believe people should be free to live their life how they see fit so log as it doesn’t harm or infringe on others. What I don’t get is why a parade is needed? What If I had “straight pride” parade? What if I created a W.E.T. television station (white entertainment television)? What if I created a NAAWP? (By the way, I thought it was funny to call it NAACP, do not all people have color?) How about a parade or organizational assembly to promote individual liberties instead of promoting the rights of and putting people in groups?
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LikeDislikeNo White/Straight people parades? Seriously? Irish-American Pride Parades… German-American Pride Parades… Italian-American Pride parades. I could go on and on….
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LikeDislikeThank u page for defending the mormons. I myself am mormon and i am absolutly possitive that our beliefs are true.
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LikeDislikeYour Founder, Joseph Smith, was mentally ill and tried to kill people. Why would anyone else follow him unless they were too, or at least very ignorant.
I dont mean to be rude but I do not believe that I am a mormon myself and no we do not kill and saying that we are ill … that is sad because some people may have dissabilities they did not ask for. Joespeh Smith was a prophet and he did many good deeds… And I will always believe in this religion. (:
Don’t you mean he was a false prophet? Too many things he prophesied about never came to pass. To many abilities he claimed were bestowed upon by god were phony. Just like he claimed he could decipher Egyptian hieroglyphs and used them as a source to write the book of Abraham, then later it was proved his translations were wrong.
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LikeDislikeSanta and Horus called…
…even they can’t believe how shit your Christian beliefs are.
Mitchell,
that was really just bad you should feel bad
Actually, Page was defending “morons”, she just mis-spelled it
LOL
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LikeDislikeno… you have absolute faith that your beliefs are true if you know absolutely than you’ve obviously failed the assignment so to speak
OK I was reading everything here I am Mormon all my life my best friends are gay do I agree no do I pity no that’s them and I have no problem with it I don’t like that the church paid on pro 8 it is not our place to do that I love my beliefs and people are people I’ve had members attack me push me away why do I keep going I go for me and god none else the best ideal the church has is love one another and I feel that the people of the church and of the world forget that even me we’re human flawed quit pointing fingers everyone is different worry able our own backyards nor everyone else’s love to all
you are the minority
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LikeDislikeYou can have your own personal relationship with God. You do not need to surround yourself with ignorant and hateful people to worship how you want to.
I have every right to pick on a sect that knocks on my door if that sect has such incredibly stupid beliefs. They invite me to by knocking. What gets me is the very young plonkers who introduce themselves as “elder”. I tell them that they are not my elder in language I cannot repeat here. I treat the Jehovah’s Witnesses the same.
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LikeDislikeI find it interesting to see Mormons defending themselves on the basis of their values, about which there can be valid debate. Homophobia is rampant across conservative American culture, Mormons are no worse than other groups and less strident than some. They have been racist and male supremacist, and while these traits remain they are becoming less marked. One can also respect their hard line on drugs and alcohol, but all this is beside the point.
What’s in question is the basic “revelation” on which the entire religion is based: and it’s 100% phony. Joseph Smith, a womanising drunk, was also a fraud, and exposed as such by the “book of Abraham” episode. The book of Mormon contains a history of America which is demonstrably and laughably false. There were no gold plates; the book is Joseph “old Came-to-pass” Smith’s own creation and draws on his knowledge of the Authorised Version, freemasonery and the occult. And it is so drearily written.
It is quite staggering that there should be any debate about this. A man who admits to being a Mormon thereby advertises his complete lack of insight and intellectual rigor. He might as well wear a sign around his neck saying “I trust in Joseph Smith, so you can’t trust me as far as you can blow me”. That such a man is within a whisker of becoming America’s next President is beyond terrifying.
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LikeDislikeRichardB, I want this on a t-shirt. Well put.
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LikeDislikeCould not have said this better than you, RichardB!
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LikeDislikeI find it odd that you would call the founder of a religion that’s well known for its strict no drinking ethics a drunk especially a man that was so firm against drinking that he turned down alcohol when it could have saved him much suffering while he had a part of his leg amputated on
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LikeDislikewhy are mormons so personally identified with their beliefs?
why is living virtuously not enough for them?
could it be because they don’t feel they have been given a choice?
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LikeDislikeChad, I think it is fair to say that Mormons are so personally identified with their beliefs, because their entire ‘religion’ is premised upon a semi-clever conman who literally MADE THE WHOLE THING UP… OBVIOUSLY… by way of stealing and ‘reinventing’ concepts and text, from multiple venues, to manifest his own little domain of ‘I can do anything because I am special and destined to be god’ … which caught on… because other men found that desirable, as well, and Smith knew that, hence ‘set it up for them to earn that right as well’… rather than the lot of them simply attempt to strive towards divine perfection, knowing all mortals will fail in obtaining perfection, by virtue of the reality that they are mortals, not gods, but… at least the pursuit itself lends to the overall improvement of both the individual and society itself, when premised on true faith in goodness and love… rather than on fear, hatred, and false presumption of superiority over any one else… which is hateful… and especially upon the notion of such hatefulness being Divine Will, when it is so obviously and insidiously reflective of mankind’s own worse inequities. You are not alone, in such fallacy of life’s purpose… Christians suffer this same ‘delusion of grandeur’… as does any ‘religion’ that suggests spirituality is evil or void unless ‘controlled’ by ‘religious doctrine’.
Belief is NOT healthy. Religion is a control mechanism. Faith is accepting propaganda.
It’s supposed to make you feel all warm and fuzzy, turn off your mind, and cough up your dough. Look at the tried and true process of brainwashing and it’s similarities.
If it wasn’t ruining the world, then by all means, believe horseshit. Unfortunately it is, so do some damn research and join the rest of us in the 21st century.
You CAN live virtuous lives with extended communities without the utter horseshit and brainwashing of BELIEF. Please do.
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Happy. Neighborly. Friendly. Helpful. Moral. Accepting. Encouragement of individual thought.
Crazy.
I love it.
i am a mormon i was raised a mormon i am a normal high school boy ive made some normal highschool mistakes involving drugs alcohol tobacco and premarital sex and reading through all this i just have to say alot of you guys have it all wrong yes your right in the sense that the church has made some mistakes in the past but your wrong when you say the “church” made the mistakes because when you say that you make it sound as if every mormon is acountable jesus christ was the only perfect man to walk this earth and he will always be the only perfect man to walk this earth so therefore everyone makes mistakes even some leaders of the church i personaly belive the teachings joseph smith taught i am also aware of mistakes he made but why does that make the religion wrong? all that says is joseph smith was a human being he made mistakes yes as does every man i can admit that and there is alot i dont know about my own religion granted im only 17 but i will say this that when my father was a active mormon i had the happiest family ever and my dad was the greatest but he got caught up in reading anti mormon literlature and started drinking and he turned mean and abusive and cheated on my mom and left the church he recently had his name removed from the church records this year he hasnt spoken to me in 2 years i currently live with my mom in arizona and ever day i suffer from mental and physical scars left from my father and some nights i cry thinking about how happy we were when we were a mormon family the last time my dad said he loved me was in sacrament meeting when i was 8 years old after he baptized me i dont know where he is or what he is doing because he left me after he left the church but all i can say about the church is it was a blessing in my laugh and it kept my family happy…yes parts of the church is screwed up there is a saying i think it goes “the book of mormon is true but the people are not” i really do believe that i have been through alot of wards and ive found that some church wards are loving and compassionate and some are ignorant and judgemental i belive that the book of mormon is true but i think the church is corrupt my attitudes toward racism is i hate it half my friends are black and i would lay down my life for any one of them and i hate that the church didnt allow them to have the priesthood because god loves all of his children and my attitude towards gays? i think its wrong and i dont support it but i also think drinking is wrong and murder anyways what im trying to say is there is this saying that says “dont judge me because i sin differently then you” what that means to me is gays are no different then you and me dont judge them because they sin differnetly i have 3 gay friends that i hang out with on a reguler basis and i love them and so does god i will never forget what my seminary teacher told me he said that if you live righteously you will make it to heaven and i asked him are mormons only going to go to heaven? and he laughed and said no when we get to heavens gates you will see that mormons are the minorty when we get to heaven you will see that mormons are outnumbered by catholics muslims ect. well anyways i just wana say that we are all here on earth to pass a test and get back to our father in heaven and you dont have to be mormon to do it basicly just find a religion that teaches about love and our savior and your good mormanism works for me and i will continue to do what i think is right i wont be influenced by anti mormans or overly prideful mormanised i have sinned alot and i know im not perfect basiclly i will do what works for me because i really dont care what religion i am in as long as i am close to god and i challenge all of you to sit through a morman sacrament meeting and then see if you have hateful things to say….there isnt anything evil about loving thy nieghbor and living by the commandments please be tolerant and dont say hurtful things because by doing so you are no better then the mormons you describe
If there was a place where religions were judged for all their lies, the judge would walk out of the room, bored out of his skull, several times before he finished reading all the ones in yours.
I hope you find some peace brother…just remember that there is no such thing as ‘perfect’, not even God or Jesus. Look around you. How mundane and easy life would be if there was a perfect being controlling and inventing everything. It was only when I freed my mind from Christianity and religion as a whole did I really start living. Without the fear of hell or the promise of a better life awaiting me did I really start to value the life that I was already gifted…in the here and now. The hands that work are better than the lips that pray. Jesus was a great man and agreat teacher, but a man just the same. His central teachings are to be learned and followed, but as we often do with our heroes, we elevated him to God-like status…it wasn’t enough that he gave us his mind, we wanted his body too. I worship no idil, no man, no invisible being, it is enough for me to just love and live right by mysekf and others. Peace.
I think the original poster states elegantly her feelings about Mormons from an inside perspective, and I don’t doubt her sincerity. There is much truth to what she says, and I’m glad it fulfills her.
However… If my great-great-great-great uncle were a convicted fraudster who was caught sexually abusing a young girl and quickly defended it by making up an insane story about aliens, the Garden of Eden, lost tablets, hats, underwear, etc. I would perhaps rethink the source of my fulfillment.
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LikeDislikeMormons are not anti gay, we’re pro family.
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LikeDislikeThat’s kinda like saying:
I’m not Anti-Jew, I’m Pro-Hitler.
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LikeDislikeNo, you’re not. You can’t claim to be ‘pro family’ while simultaneously campaigning *against* gays having families.
It’s a doctrine of your church that being gay is a sin. Oh, excuse me – you’ve recently
updated your doctrine… had a revelation It’s not a sin to be attracted to a member of the same sex, it’s just a sin to act on that desire.That kind of hair splitting may allow you to lie to yourself about your homophobia, but it doesn’t fool the rest of us.
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LikeDislikeJoe,
A family consists of A father (being a male), A mother (being a female) and a child(s)that was born as result of their sexual union. 2 dads or 2 moms is not a family but a travesty. If a 2 females or 2 males think they can be united like a man and a woman can and for which a marriage has been EXCLUSIVELY ordain by God, then, boy, the end of days is really near.
For fairness sake, in the process of working to make that happen, they should work to invent a word that accommodate such arrangement, after all they designated the word “gay” to describe a man who is not straight and no one is “attacking them” for it. They can extend the same common sense to resolve this issue also. But to highjack something that will never describe what they want to make happen and expect the rest of us to cowardly and quietly endure it is really stomach turning to say the least. And now the doers of this should not bitch about the consequences. That will be like attempting to steal someone’s property and when the rightful owner does what they have to do to defend it, the thief goes nuts! well how bright and brilliant is that!!!!
Speaking of mormons, I started to go to their wards as result of meeting 2 absolutely delightful angel-like missionaries of theirs, abroad. I was in such bad predicament, they paid for part of my trip back to the states, they gave me extra cash inside an enveloppe I did not even ask for. They wrote me letter along with that, that I still read every day, it is so full of affection, pure love and encouragement. They gave me bunch of mormon local references where I was going that can help me once I am back home wether it be to look for this or get that. They even gave me the contact info of some of their relatives. I found nothing but love and innocence in these people. Unlike what I read, the central subject to their services is Christ and Christ alone and not Joseph Smith. In researching them, I did come across some wacky staff but each and every denomination has its own closet hidden squeletons. None of us are perfect as Isaiah 64:6, Romans 3:23, Eclasiastes 7:20 as well as other bible verses oh so wisely assert.
Some will argue that they do not recognise the bible as a an authentic authority to draw from or base one’s learning on. And I say it leads us to our maker, the alternative is to believe our ancestors are monkeys, so are we and therefore a monkeying around (pun intended) is perfectly acceptable when it’s not.
Let’s forgive each other, it really is not that hard to do. First it cost nothing to do that and second, we gain others’ grounds by forgiving others.
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LikeDislike> A family consists of A father (being a male), A mother (being a female) and a child(s)that was born as result of their sexual union.
Really? My wife and I chose not to have children, are you trying to tell me that we’re not actually married? My brother’s wife can’t conceive so they adopted. That’s not really a family either?
Further, since you seem to think that this affair must be ordained by your imaginary friend, does that mean that Muslims, Shintos, and Hindus aren’t really married either?
I’m frankly amused by your insistence that you’re not attacking when you use phrases like “stomach turning” and comparisons to theft. If someone described your actions in those terms would you feel attacked? I would.
> Let’s forgive each other, it really is not that hard to do.
I’ll forgive you when you stop attacking those who mean you no harm.
Come to think of it, the institution of marriage predates Mormonism, Christianity, and Judaism by hundreds of millennia.
So if anyone is guilty of theft it must be you.
If it were up to me I’d outlaw marriage between homophobes. After all, you’ll just try to teach your disgusting behaviors to innocent children.
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LikeDislikeWhat about Citi Creek? The church just paid for a MALL! Not getting paid must be why so many bishops molest little kids I guess…
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LikeDislikeI would like you all to think about something. Jospeh Smith is part of my family. How would you feel if someone said such mean things about one of your family members. The LDS church is one of the first groups in on any natural or unatural disaster in the world. They offer humanitarian work in those incidents. There are gay members of the church who go to church every week and love to be LDS members. I do not know how they are sexist. Man and woman is seen as equls in the church. How are they racist? Any race can be a member of the church and have all the same rights within the church. No one is excluded from the blessings.
Why pass judgement about things that you do not know? Why attack someone for believing something that is different from your beliefs?
As for prop 8 The LDS church was not the only church backing it.
“Start with the major religious backers of Prop 8 — Catholic, Mormon and evangelical believers.” here is the link if you would like to read the whole article http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2012/02/gay-marriage-prop-8-judge-walker/1 . Or just google what religions backed prop 8.
Why can’t we all just get along? Your religion should not be the deciding factor of how people judge you. Open your hearts and your minds you may be surprised who you get along with when you stop hating someone becuase of their religion.
You can not help it if you are a descendant of Joseph Smith. But just because you are, is not excuse to defend his crimes against humanity. And yes… making up a religion and deliberately lying to and misleading people, is a crime against humanity.
My surname is Cahoon… I am not Mormon. But many by that name, are Mormon.
I am NOT a direct descendant of THE Cahoon that joined up to Mormonism and gave rise to so many more Mormons, of that name, born of multiple wives, through his line…
Even though I am not in that line… he IS a DIRECT DESCENDANT OF MY DIRECT DESCENDANT…
AND it ticks me off that just because ‘he joined up’… that now my Scottish ancestors, who existed BEFORE Joseph Smith ever existed and concocted his tales… are now ‘sealed to the Mormon Rolls’… !!!!!
This atrocity is white-washed by supposition that it is merely a desire to keep families together… BUT in reality it is an ‘exercise of religious greed’ that strips away and entirely negates… the religious choices made by others, within their own given life times.
I know that it is a joke and impossible… because no one has authority over the spirit or will of another… but it is presented as if it does have authority and can claim ‘the souls’ of others… despite their own choices!!
It is laughable on the one hand, to pause and consider… ‘If you can’t win over converts in life, because they were born before the religion was available to offer to them… not to worry… we can baptize them by proxy!!!!
It is no less laughable to see that this ‘love for family’ is also applied in modern times, if they lived during the ‘existence’ of Mormonism and DELIBERATELY chose not to be Mormon. Again… just wait until they croak and baddah bing, baddah boom… baptize them by proxies… and they will be ‘available for further consideration’ later??
After the laughter, sinks in the reality of finding it extremely disturbing that, thanks to Joseph Smith and his followers, that my direct ancestors, who were NOT Mormons have been ‘victimized’ after their deaths, in what is nothing short of ‘spiritual desecration’.
Desecration is defined as : profanation: blasphemous behavior; the act of depriving something of its sacred character; “desecration of the Holy Sabbath”.
I feel so strongly about this, on principle alone, the very principle that allows Mormons to be Mormons… ie… religious freedom… that I began a petition against the Mormons… and invite all who feel the same to sign it…
Change.org|Start an Online Petition
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LikeDislikeThen keep your wacky religion out of the political discussion. I don’t come into your churches with my Homosexual-Atheist beliefs.
You truly want to get along? Stop your church from contributing in the political landscape.
You need to check out your own history a little better. It was a long-held tenant of the LDS church that the good angels were blond and the bad angels had black hair & dark skin. Prior to 1978, blacks weren’t even allowed in the clergy.
I guess Joseph Smith didn’t realize that Jesus had black hair, brown eyes, and swarthy skin.
Your assertion about sexism is just too bizarre to believe. How many Mormon women have multiple husbands? How many women get their own planets after death? How many Mormon women are the head of the household, and can expect their husbands to obey their orders without question?
Mormons practically outcast anyone who leaves their faith. (Oh, wait, did I say “faith”? I meant cult. Sorry, my bad!)
Nicest people you’ll ever meet? Yeah, if you don’t look over to that one son who “questioned” that they blocked on all their contacts and now lives on the streets!
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LikeDislikeDamn dude I’m guessing that happened to you… People can be so ignorant sometimes
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LikeDislikeBrayden the only time any mormons in this area including my brother and his family want any connection with others is when they are out to get in your pocket. All this rightousness is crap. My brother lives less than a quarter mile from six of his nine siblings and some cousins do even know their kids. They hide out til they want something then its buddy buddy til they get what they want. Some are the most dishonest miserly people i’ve ever known. They would leave other to starve if it cost them a penny but make damm sure they tithe to stay in good graces with the church
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LikeDislikeSorry… that link should go directly to the petition… but instead goes to the petition making site.
Please try the following… If it does not work, then do a search for “Church of Latter Day Saints, Let My People Go.
Thanks
http://www.change.org/petitions/church-of-the-latter-day-saints-let-my-people-go
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LikeDislikePage,
The Mormon Church donates only about 0.7 percent of its annual income to charity; the United Methodist Church gives about 29 percent.
So much for how charitable they are. They are a business, plain and simple, more worried about building shopping malls and churches.
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LikeDislikeHitler died may 1st, osama died may 1st, AND VOLDEMORT DIED MAY 1ST OMG THAT MUST TOTALLY MEAN SOMETHINGseriously, get a life. even if this was true what would you do about it then? you’d just sit your lazy ass by the computer and tweet about it, or potinsg it online like ur doing right now, so what’s the big fucking difference?
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LikeDislikeWow, i love how absolutely pointless every single one of these conversations really is. No one is really learning and growing and if there is no knowledge being exchanged, then what is the point? Mormons have their beliefs. They hold the right to believe and practice what they want to believe. Some (And i said SOME) are the nicest people you could ever meet. Some (and i said SOME) are the meanest most terrible people you could ever meet. It doesn’t matter what religion you are from, there are going to be the greatest and worst people. If you could just live without attacking someone else then this world would be a better place in general. Mormons do have a history of helping others. They have one of the largest welfare programs in the world, they are generally the kind of people that do want to help others. There are a lot of members of this church though and so you do get the best and the worst. The majority of you are judging them on the worst of the people. I don’t want to be the cause of any argument. I just want to point out that all the arguing goes absolutely no where and it will just continue to waste all your lives away. I hope you all have a great day! God Bless!
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LikeDislikeAnd Jordan spake unto us saying, “If you could just live without attacking someone else…”
Good advice, and just as soon as Mormons stop attacking others, we’ll stop retaliating. It always astounds me the way that you superstitious ninnies are surprised that their hatred of others is returned.
Do unto others … as ye sow … ring a bell?
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LikeDislikeBoth Mormonism and Scientology were created by pathetic old men who wanted to get laid…what better way than to start a cult?
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LikeDislikeI would just like to put my personal opinion in. The Mormon church is the same as any other church. If you people really have nothing better to do with your time then bash the Mormon church you seriously need to get a life. The Mormon church has basic guidelines for their people to follow, same as any other religion or life style! If the LDS people want to follow certain beliefs then that’s their choice. Stop hating.
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LikeDislikewhy all the negative ticks on this one: It’s in line with the original post and he merely promotes tolerance and better allocation of ones time…sometimes I’m confused by people.
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LikeDislikeI take it my post was not published even though there were no profanities in it because the publisher is a faget? that just explains why a site is set up to persecute those who show thi lifestyle for what exactly is.
now don’t tell me you are going to post the above?!?! since it is not true and the word TRUTH is written all over your pathetic life.
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LikeDislikeunless you did two posts, I think your post is here, under the bubble you replied to…
I’m a Mormon
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LikeDislikeIF YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT MORMONS, ASK A MORMON, NOT ANTI-MORMONS!! THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MORMONS!!
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LikeDislike- If you are interested enough, translate it Portuguese to English.-
Bem, se alguém aqui está pesquisando sobre Mormonismo é porque no mínimo tem duvidas sobre tal, “acredita” em Deus mas quer mais do que simplesmente acreditar… foi o que eu observei na maioria dos comentários acima…
Triste como perdemos tempo discutindo uns com os outros quem está certo, ou quem tem mais argumentos, ou quem parece mais convencível. Se tivermos um pouco mais de inteligência e reparar que apesar da ciência, dos estudos e do grau de inteligência que temos, terminamos no mesmo ponto em que começamos ao visitar sites como este; sem saber ou escolher no que acreditar…
se parar pra pensar um pouco mais, Deus tem a sabedoria e inteligência suprema, tem poder para tirar nossas dúvidas, e amor por nós (por isso Ele se importa em tirar nossas dúvidas) então deveríamos estar perguntando a DIRETAMENTE A ELE e não a outros HOMENS IGUAIS A NÓS. E assim paciente como Ele é, mandou que Seu Filho Jesus Cristo nos ensinasse a fazer isso, uma simples mas SINCERA oração, declarando tudo o que pensamos e sentimos a Ele, e se estamos buscando saber a verdade sobre Ele, então quem responderá mais corretamente do que Ele próprio?
Fazer uma sincera oração, para saber a vontade de Deus;
Prestar atenção nas coisas que acontecerão na sua vida depois de orar e buscar a verdade;
Manter a fé em Deus e Jesus Cristo, saber que Ele nos conhece de mente e coração, e conhece o que está dentro deles.
Have a nice week
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LikeDislikeLeave the Mormons alone. They have the right to give their 12 year old daughters to Uncle Rulon cuz that’s what the Prophet said. Haters…
And don’t tell me that the LDS doesn’t still support ‘plural marriage’ because that is what they are telling their brainwashed masses it will be like in heaven. (FLDS=LDS don’t let them spin yarns about one being different or better.)
Present-Day Pedophiles is what they should rename themselves.
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LikeDislikeReally guys? Just leave us alone to practice our religion!
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LikeDislikeFirst of all, Religion is Religion – which throughout history has been the primary cause for isolation, separation, segregation, judgment, racism, prejudice, bias, discrimination, wars…the list goes on and on.
I was a Mormon for many, many years and have extensive knowledge in it’s teachings and it’s meanings behind the teachings. I am not an Anti Mormon – I am Anti Moronic.
What I mean by this is simple. If anyone with half a brain took it upon themselves to truly look into anything, they will find that there are 2 sides to everything. Taking ones teachings as the ‘Be all end all’ at their worth is simply a game of memorization. We use these methods in schools to our children, so they can lead productive lives to benefit what our society deems as a worthy avenue to become producers to our uncivilized civilization.
To study both sides of an idea or teaching allows one to acquire a larger insight. Seeing from both sides gives one Wisdom. Wisdom is a building block most religions state is a foundation of all teachings. Sadly, if one tries to acquire Wisdom independently, it can pose a threat against that said religion. Truthfully.
Through experience, I can tell you that devout Mormons believe everything the Prophet, Book of Mormon, numerous Church Doctrines and a large portion of the Bible have to teach. The teachings are a guild line to allow oneself to return to Him – they’re Heavenly Father. If your a good person, i commend you. Unfortunately, most Mormons I know / known are the most hypocritical and judgmental people I have ever encountered. My mother is one of them. She has no reserve to shout out, or talk in a loud manner in public, about her disgust on Gay issues, other religions – pretty much everything that goes against her beliefs.
Here is the problem with the Mormon teachings as I truly lived by them,then decided to investigate further. I have jotted down some ‘basic’ and publicly questioned teachings or practices the Church has been scrutinized with.
1) The Book of Mormon was rewritten over 3900 times. Why?
2) If the Golden Plates were actually found by Joseph Smith, they would have weighed over 200 LBS.
3) Joseph Smith’s vision in the woods, which is claimed to have been the meeting he had with God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost – which also directed him to uncover the location of the Plates and start a new church, a true church, was not mentioned for years after the initial publication of the Book of Mormon. The publisher added that in after many new versions or corrections were made to the Book of Mormon.
4) Alot of Mormons believe dinosaur bones do come from other planets as the belief is – God made this world out of many planets.
5) There are 13 contradictions in the Book of Mormon. Literally.
6) Women cannot go to the Celestial Kingdom unless they’re husbands call on them in the afterlife. This is why Mormons need to get ‘Sealed’ in the temple as eternal husband and wife in this life. (There are 3 Kingdoms in Heaven – according to the Mormons. Terrestrial, Telestial and the Celestial Kingdoms. Each has it’s degree of merit for those who have lived a semi holy life to those that lived a holy life and followed the commandments and the Word of God.
7) What some call ‘Mormon Underwear’ is actually called ‘Temple Garments’ by the Church. These Garments are provided to people with ‘Temple Recommends’. The Garments are said to keep the ‘Devil’ away from your spirit – to keep your spirit clean without compromising your holiness or faith.
8) The ‘King James’ version of the Bible is the one studied by the LDS church. Look into the biography of King James. He was a madman, murdering King, whom in todays standards would be considered a psychotic tyrant. The original Bible was not meant to be a religious book to begin with. It was merely an account of stories, metaphoric stories, of individuals, religions and cultures that long predate Christianity. Unfortunately today, they hold dear the writings in this Bible, rewritten by a lunatic.
9) The LDS church receives 7 Billion dollars annually from tithing. That’s almost 20 million a day from it’s members. I have a wealthy friend that showed my a letter he received from his Bishop. Reminding him that its a sin to with hold your tithing and that all financial information is to be as accurate as possible when paying tithing. Each member is required to pay 10% of they’re earnings to the Church.
10) The Mormon church has not divulged its finances to the public or its members since 1959 in The USA.
11) Donations to humanitarian aid in the past 25 years – Cash Donations = $327.6 Million / Value of Material Assistance = $884.6 Million. Broken down, it can equate to $6.37 per member annually. Pathetic seeing that this Church is exempt to taxes. Wonder what the interest paid annually is? On 7 Billion dollars worth of tithing from it’s members?
12) In the 1970′s, there was an American wide Civil Rights movement. During this time, BYU was being targeted by other Universities and boycotted from participating in University held competitions due to the Mormons belief that Blacks had no right to hold the Priesthood in the Church. Which was considered a Civil Right violation. Spencer W. Kimball was the Prophet of the LDS church at the time, and received a phone call from the President of the United States of America. He was told that due to the Civil Rights Law, and the churches view on Blacks at the time, the Church would no longer fall under the umbrella of a Tax Free Religion. (The umbrella discussed is the same umbrella which is shared by over 25 other organizations to receive this tax exemption – one of which is the KKK). Spencer W. Kimball then had a revelation from God. He told the church that God now excepts Blacks and other minorities can receive the Priesthood. The LDS church had a mass exodus of members due to this change of heart from God. The teachings in the church, from God Himself is as follows (not quoted): Those that bear the ‘mark’ of Cain are those that have darker skin. The war in Heaven, between Jesus and Lucifer, who were brothers ended. Those that were ‘uncertain’ as to whom to follow – Jesus or Lucifer – were given this mark. They would not be allowed to hold the Priesthood in this life. Only in the next life, would they be able to hold it – depending on their faith and devotion to God in this life. Again, God must have simply changed his mind.
13) The most concentrated geographical area in North America of which women are on anti depressants is in Utah.
14) Once you leave the church, or tell your family your gay, you are disowned by both the Church and your family. I have witnessed this countless times over numerous years. Bizarre seeing as to how the Church prides itself on family values.
15) All members of this Church have a different view on all things. Example: Ask a member where dinosaur bones come from – or why some mormons don’t believe on swimming on Sundays, or numerous other things that pertain to their beliefs. Always a different answer.
16) The world is 5000 – 7000 years old. Really?
17) Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth. We all come from this pair. To have 7 Billion people on this planet in a period of 5000 – 7000 years that came from 2 people is impossible. My mother, who has been a member for over 39 years told me God placed people throughout the world after Adam and Eve. Truly mind-boggling to hear this from a mature individual that is actually considered intelligent in our society.
18) God knows your choices before you do. Scary notion as this life of ours is presented as the ‘Plan of God’. You will be judged for all actions and thoughts despite Him already knowing the outcome. Look at it this way. As a Mormon, they need to follow the direction of the Church. Don’t ask questions that will make you doubt it’s teachings or shake your Faith. Simply obey. If your feeling lost, pray. If the answers you seek make absolutely no sense at all, then it’s part of Gods plan. You cannot understand the complexity of God. So they live on Faith. No matter how absurd a teaching or belief is. So, if God knows what your going to do before you do it, what’s the point????
19) Natural disasters, bad things that happen to us, good things that happen to us. All of these are God’s will. Mormons do not believe that a hurricane or Tsunami that kills thousands of people is actually contributed by humanities greed to change climate and natural resources on this planet. They believe God is angry, and he shall show his wrath. This is inane as it removes any accountability or responsibility to any individual. Sad.
20) Devout Mormons will ALWAYS have a comeback to all these questions. No matter how silly their answers are, they believe them. It’s a perfect illusion as those answers that cannot be answered logically, are then pointed to a matter of Faith. God has His will and we are not meant to understand it. This does not promote independent thoughts, rationale, enhanced knowledge or wisdom. This only promotes the ‘sheep’ to continue being in the flock.
I believe this Church does teach some very good ethical and moral values to its members. I believe it’s these values that keep members believing all things within this organization. I just wish that the Church would do away with all the childish folklore associated with it. It promotes childish stories, like Jonah and the Whale, Jared – the list goes on. People in this church live in fear of what their choices will do to effect the afterlife. (Most will never admit this)
I as a child and a young adult feared so many things that may affect my eternal salvation due to the unbelievable pressures I had from this church. Despite the fact that God knew what my choices would be. It can become so overwhelming mentally, that many people in the church depend on pharmaceutical drugs to assist with a ‘balance’.
Bottom line, from a quote I read: “If a Church’s members do not believe in all things the same way, in the same manner, then it cannot be called a Church”.
I don’t need any Mormons or anti Mormons making comments on this blog as I have merely outlined some basic beliefs of the LDS church. There are literally thousands more. Some absurd, some understandable.
All I can suggest to any bashers is please, please do your homework and research if you have any questions. And no, the Devil is not working on everyone who is not a Mormon to try and overcome the Church. It’s just basic common sense.
Peace
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