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Adam (the Bible’s first “human being”) was a God!
Mormons are multi-theistic, teaching that they can become gods (as man is, God once was; as God is, man may become) and that Adam was a god; i.e. Michael the Archangel actually created the world under the direction of Elohim and Jesus and after the earth was completed, he then became the first man to populate the earth! Oh and this happened some 6,000 years ago… The earth is only 12 to 14 thousand years old? What about Ardi (ARA-VP-6/500), Lucy, Homo heidelbergensis, Neanderthal and the other ancient human remains, from 4.5 millions years ago up until 30 thousand years ago, that prove there was NO Adam. Thank you to Copernicus, Galileo and all of the other persecuted scientists that brought the dawn of truth upon humankind.
By: Jettison
For teaching that we can become gods, check out the ancient, venerable Christian teaching of theosis, in modern English “divinization.”
For Adam being a god, no, archangels aren’t gods.
For evolution, there is no official LDS position and Mormons on both sides of the question. Nor does evolution preclude an Adam.
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LikeDislike@DougH Name one other Christian Church that teaches or believes that humans can become Gods… please, just one mainstream Christian organization, other than Mormons.
It’s a bit difficult to “create” a planet without being a “God”, hence for Mormons, Michael the Archangel had to be a “God”. And why not… think of all the Gods that Mormonism will create… Gods are everywhere!
As for evolution… a bit difficult to deny it with all of the evidence that surrounds us. So, I’m curious about how evolution does not preclude an Adam? If humans (homo-sapiens) were around for the last 100 thousand years with their current genetic makeup, how could the story in Genesis or The Pearl of Great Price have any credence?
For that matter how could anyone with any sense believe in The Book of Abraham? The Egyptian papyri that Joseph Smith obtained and claimed to translate had nothing to do with what Joseph wrote in that book. Yet another of the thousands of inconsistencies that plague the Mormon church. It’s hard for me to believe that anyone with intelligence or true human compassion could believe in the story of Mormonism.
I say “human compassion” when one considers the Mormon record of intolerance and bigotry. Patriarchal in the extreme, the Mormon organization has lagged behind (to put it very mildly) on issues of slavery, religious toleration, civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights. For an organization claiming the leadership of Jesus Christ to miss so blatantly and completely His message would also be amusing if it were not so ugly and hypocritical. This is an organization that has never denied the doctrine of polygamy, that denies half the population the Mormon priesthood because of gender discrimination, and whose members are actually supposed to believe that God sent a message to Spencer Kimball saying that, for unexplained reasons, black males would suddenly be able to hold the priesthood–as if this made it all better and with absolutely no admission that the denial of equality to blacks was a dirty, racist policy in the first place.
Hmm, Slavery? Joseph Smith was very publicly opposed to slavery:
(Joseph Smith said in his platform for his presidential run, “The Declaration of Independence ‘holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;’ but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin.”) The Church was notorious at the time in helping escaped slaves.
Religious toleration? are you kidding? hundreds of Mormons were killed due to religious intolerance against them, they are now, and always have been fighting for tolerance.
Civil rights? Name ONE mostly Mormon community which has practiced segregation or Jim Crow laws, you cannot. In fact, in 1867, democratic reform was enacted by the predominantly Utah Legislature; in accordance with their status as a Territory of the United States. At that time, the voters of Utah, overwhelmingly Mormon, voted 14,000 to 30, to grant black men the vote (Neither White Nor Black, p.114 note 112). At a time when Utah was overwhelmingly Mormons , the Utah voters overwhelmingly voted to give blacks the vote.
Women’s rights? The Church has the distinction of having the FIRST and longest running organization in the USA made up of and led by women, the Relief Society. And Utah’s women could vote from 1870! 17 YEARS before Congress took their right away! See:
http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/statehood_and_the_progressive_era/womansuffragedominatedpoliticsinutah.html
Gay rights? Since when does how you like to have sex somehow confer special rights? The Church does not and has never sought to restrict any civil right based on people’s legal actions in their own private moments. The Church has never sought to restrict any civil right at all.
Finally, All throughout the Bible, who could hold the priesthood was determined by their lineage. No exceptions. So by your definition God Himself is a “dirty racist” What would be hypocritical would be to just decide to change God’s policies WITHOUT God telling them to a prophet, which is how He has communicated with man from the beginning. You may not like or understand God’s policies and actions but it is short sighted to denigrate any Church because they follow what they believe are God’s rules. Who is to say that YOU are right? If members are OK with the policies, let them be, if they are not, no one forces them to remain in the Church. The LDS Church has never had enforced membership. In fact, the Church does not want folks who do not truly believe to remain as members.
In the future, try to refrain from gratuitous assertions which are at odds with history. You run the risk of making yourself look foolish. The Mormon Church has a very detailed and stellar historical record of tolerance and inclusion.
Perhaps not any other Church, but the Bible says:
“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that when He shall appear we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And every man that hath this hope in him, purifleth himself even as He is pure.” (I John III: v. 2, 3).
And:
“And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:17)
So maybe the TRUE Church actually believes the Bible.
I do.
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LikeDislikeAnd the LORD God said , Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat , and live for ever: (Genesis 3:22)
Hmm, Genesis seems to use the word “US” a lot, why is that???
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LikeDislikeI think that EVERY denomination and religion interpret the bible differently. I am a christian though and have Jesus living in my heart and you all are being testy with one another. I do not feel the need to argue my beliefs with anyone. Why do you? I am Southers Baptist and my husband is Catholic, two totaly oposite religions, but we both have Jesus in our hearts and thats all that matters.
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LikeDislikePat, Interesting, when God stated this He had a host, angels, and lucifer as well. Becoming like one of us, referred to the host and or lucifer. The only way man lasted forever then was for the tree that bared that special fruit—- NOT because of a man-angelic-god statehood!
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LikeDislikeActually, evolution does specifically preclude an “Adam”. In fact there is no idea of individual evolution – evolution can only be applied to populations. In the case of modern humans, they evolved from a population of no less than 100,000 members. But yes, keep in mind if you think that evolution can possibly apply to a single person, then you need to go back and try to study evolution again.
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LikeDislikeJettison, don’t forget to include everyone who believes in the Bible in your rant, and the Koran, and the Torah. All those books contain as much intolerance and bigotry as the Mormon scriptures and history.
I’m proud to belong to the only Christian church that believes in multiple gods. Long live polytheism!
And you don’t have to take Genesis and the Pearl of Great Price totally literally to be a proud Mormon.
Evolution explains a lot, but it doesn’t explain why human nature and culture is so different than animal nature and culture, with it’s morality, exponentially higher intelligence, and obsession with irrational religious expression. What animals do this? How did these characteristics develop through evolution only?
The story of Adam and Eve symbolically explains why human nature is so different than animals, the knowledge of good and evil, being cast out of the animal kingdom of innocence, into the world of sin, wickedness and murder. It’s the story of every child who grows from youthful innocence to knowing rebellion.
Adam came from the animals, through evolution. But then something happened. What better way to explain this inexplicable change in human nature?
Is Adam a god? Yes. We are gods, as Christ says in the Bible “ye are gods.” Satan in the Garden says, “you shall become like the gods.” We take Satan at his word.
We believe in eternal progression. Mathematically, that is the very definition of godhood. A little incremental progression multiplied by infinity equals infinity. What is a god? An infinite creature.
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LikeDislikeBillybud, your reasoning is so Right for the Wrongest of scripture doctrine. No, really, you hit the bullseye! You are Gods? All your references are dead wrong and no bible scholar has ever translated those words that way. I know you would say, thats the whole ereason ‘God’ revealed to Mr Smith that all churches/ religions are wrong. LDS has false revelation about God. Mr Smith is not a Prophet of God but of mystery babylon religion. Seek Old/New testament Scripture and compare it with D&C, PofGP. You’ll see by the power of Jesus name and His true and powerful Word.
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LikeDislikeOh, Jettison, you didn’t get it completely right. Per the Adam-God doctrine, Adam is not only a god, but, he was THE God–as in God the Father.
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LikeDislikeHate to say it, but Mormons do NOT believe that Adam is God the Eternal Father, Elohim… but what does it matter anyway? It’s all just Myth & Superstition.
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LikeDislikeAlthough every Christian church teaches that we are children of God, because that’s what the Bible teaches, the Mormons are the only ones that I’m aware of who say that we are literally the offspring of God. That is, we are not merely some sort of stunted creations – we are literally his children – we are, if you will, the same species as our Father in Heaven. The Bible makes it clear that we have the potential to become like him in every way and that we will inherit all that he has. We are Gods in embryo, with all of the potential of our Heavenly Father. If we make living up to our Eternal potential the guiding purpose of our lives, there is no limit to the good that we can do, and no boundaries to our capacity for growth.
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LikeDislikeJohn 3:16 says “For god so loved the world the he gave his ONLY Begotten son so that whoever believeith in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life”. The first two of the 10 commandments talk about he is the lord your god and don’t put any other gods before him meaning he’s number 1. The second one says no images of heaven above or the earth beneath, or that is in the water. It says that you shouldn’t bow down or serve anything else cause he is jealous and only likes people who follow his rules. loosely translated all that means is first god is a flip flopper, second that he ain’t as strong as he use to be. According to whatever form of the bible you read he went from saying I’m the only big cheese you will respect my authority, then to give his only son so we can all be forgiven of our sins, to lds which believes we can be gods and share is power since he created the world and stuff. To me he sounds more like a battered wife then the almighty.
The biggest lie of all is in this opening post, i.e. the claim that there are “ancient human remains” that are millions of years old. “Scientists” (dishonest ones) expect people to blindly follow and blindly believe this claim all the time, DESPITE the fact there is absolutely no way to verify the age of these remains. None whatsoever. Have you noticed how “scientists” constantly talk as if it is settled and indisputable that these remains are “millions” of years old when even THEY know that their “dating” methods are far from accurate. So called “radioactive dating” and “carbon dating” are not actually methods to establish how old some bone is and honest scientists know this. Honest scientists know that erosion and decomposition make it impossible for a non petrified bone to be older than a few thousand years. These human remains that the church of evolution constantly parades as their supposed “proof” of evolution and supposed proof of the age of the earth, are MERELY pre flood negroes. These lefty “scientists” always ignore the endless and REAL evidence of the flood, and they despise the record that tells us that all negroes after the flood came as the result of an interracial marriage (i.e. they were watered down 50%). Ergo, Ham’s wife, Egyptus, had more animalistic features that are diluted 50% in current negroes, and all of Ham’s children were obviously interracial and diluted 50%. Everyone, yes everyone, with the exact makeup of Egyptus died in the flood. THESE are the bones that are being found. They are not “millions” of years old, and they’re not evidence of evolution. They’re merely pre flood descendents of Cain. Any “scientist” who takes simple things and makes them hazy and complex (as the church of evolution does), is not a scientist.
How convenient to carte blanche dismiss SCIENCE, and SCIENTISTS using PROVEN methods! NEGROES, DILUTED NEGROES, ANIMALISTIC FEATURES??? WTF?! How any more RACIST can anyone be? Denier to the bone here! Yet, will believe that MORMON “archaeologists” have ‘evidence” of Jesus, et al visiting North America? SHOW US PROOF FROM NON-MORMON ARCHAEOLOGISTS! This is one of the more ridiculous diatribes that I have read in a LONG time.
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LikeDislikePeople like you just prove that humans have evolved apes. Some Human beings have evolved their knowledge and helped us become one of the most advanced and sophisticated spices the universe has ever known. While others (like yourself) spend their time on the computer, hating on things they can’t even begin to understand, instead of getting a real job so they can move out of their parents basement.
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