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Virgin birth of Jesus
Over the years various prophets and apostles in the mormon church have commented on the Virgin birth of Jesus. They suggest that Mary was a virgin in the sense that she had not known any mortal men. But that God has begotten Jesus in the same natural way that we were begotten by our parents.
Brigham Young: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” Journal of discourses vol. 8, page 115.
For a more extensive list of sources see http://www.mrm.org/virgin-birth
By: Marco
What the world needs to understand, just because Brigham Young said it, doesn’t make it doctrine.
Or read the accounts in the New Testament.
What does this have to do with Fred Karger?
Kirk, unfortunately, Brigham Young was a prophet, you can´t pick and choose which crazy things make it to doctrine and which don´t. “…for his word ye shall receive, as if from my own mouth..” D&C 21 I think. 21:5? I don’t know anymore. Or care
So, if the new an old testament say other wise and contradict Mr. Young, then who is right?
and Bruce McConkie said the same thing in Mormon Doctrine. In fact, he went on to explain the new testament passage in Luke and how this happened.
It seems the better explanation of the belief comes from scripture.
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
http://lds.org/scriptures/ot/isa/7.14?lang=eng#13
Luke 1:26-35
http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/1.26-35?lang=eng#25
1 Nephi 11:13-23
https://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/11?lang=eng
Brigham Young: “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” For you naysayers, just so you know, there is nine months between conception and birth. Brigham Young was commenting about the birth of the Saviour not His conception.
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[bih-get]
verb (used with object), be·got or ( Archaic ) be·gat; be·got·ten or be·got; be·get·ting.
1.(especially of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
I don’t know how you mormons do it but, I have never “begotten” it on with my father, my mother did though.
In D & C, states, that Jehovah GOD had intercourse or lay’d with Mary to conceive Jesus. Implying a NEW thought of how Jesus was made. The True word of God, states He was conceived by the Holy Spirit (Matt 1:18, Luke 1:35), Foretold in scripture (Isa 7:14, 9:6).
Kirk said: “Just because Brigham Young said it, doesn’t make it doctrine.”
Adrian said: “Brigham Young was a prophet, you can´t pick and choose which crazy things make it to doctrine and which don´t.”
And yet you’re left with no choice. Prophetic infallibility (or the tradition of near infallibility that Mormons believe in) is a baaaaad idea.
That’s precisely what makes Mormonism look like a cult–the fact it raises mere men to the status of demi-gods. Instead of the “Church of Jesus Christ…” you’ve got the “Cult of Thomas S. Monson.”
As long as Monson utters the words “Lord, Lord” now and again, he has free license to preach whatever doctrine or philosophy he pleases. We don’t place this kind of trust in our political leaders; why our religious ones?
And this is what Mormon “prophets” do. When it got a little too embarrassing, instead of abandoning the infallibility doctrine (which is merely a tool of authoritarian oppression), “Correlation” was introduced.
Mormonism’s evangelical opponents aren’t any better. Instead of prophetic infallibility, they believe in biblical infallibility–or, more accurately, the infallibility of a tradition, or interpretation.
What’s the consequence? Not thinking for yourself–aka, cult-like behavior.
@Mavin10: Thanks for the interpretation. I believe that this is the correct understanding of the passage. Therefore the belief as stated above is incorrect.
The more important issue here is, what is doctrine in the CJCLDS? @Noah, @Adrian have pretended that the words of a prophet are always doctrine directly. This has never been true in the LDS church. Rather, doctrine was established earlier in councils and later the system required by Joseph Smith was that 7 of the 12 apostles certify doctrine.
There are promises that the President of the Church (Prophet) will not lead the church astray but this more indicate that he will die or loose his position to prevent this rather than guaranteeing that he is infallible. The word cult is being used here but in my personal experience the practice of the Mormon religion encourages demystification, independent thought, and goodwill toward others.
The point is not that the “virgin birth” is not doctrine. The point is that Brigham believed it. It says a lot that someone who holds teh keys to establish what is doctrine for the whole church is not able to discern between truth and error.
Was he talking about birth or conception? Well that Jesus was born as al other people have been was never under dispute in any christian religion. Brigham was talking about what resulted in the birth; how he was begotten of the FATHER, like we are begotten of our FATHERS.
Let’s simplify the obvious for some who need it simplified to the uttermost molecule: The semen of Heavenly Father was implanted in Mary and out of respect for Joseph, it was done by the Holy Ghost and not by Heavenly Father himself. If you have a problem with this then go shut down every in vitro clinic that helps infertile husbands and wives have children. Mary joyfully agreed to this highly unique instance in the pre existence. None of this is a “mormon” belief either. Ever heard of the “immaculate conception?”
I know jesus was born
1. Love thy neighbor
2. Love thy enimies
3. Thou shalt have no other god but Heavenly Father
4. Thou shalt help
5. Thou shalt appologize
6. Thou shalt pray
7. Thou shalt read scriptures
8. Thou shalt not kill
9. Thou shalt not deny being mormon
10. Shall not be cruel
11. Shall not swear or curse
12. Shall be modest
13. ShAll not smoke do drugs, drink coffie tea, alchohal,
14. No sexting, cyberbullying, bullying
15. Think before you act. (Would i do this if Heavenly Father or jesus were here watching me.)
16. All bad things need to stop.
Be kind
be pure
be modest
be rightous
Be all things good